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Teed Rockwell's avatar

I'd like you to notice that there are no actual arguments in your post supporting your "conclusion". I put "conclusion" in quotes because a sentence is not a conclusion unless it is backed by premises. You're just stating your beliefs. I'd also like you to notice that this is equally true of those who say "trans women are women,period". That's why this "debate" is not really a debate at all it's just a table pounding shouting match. You're entitled to your opinion as are they. But when no argument is possible, the most productive thing to do is to stop pounding the table and agree to disagree. That's the main point of my article. In order to understand that however, you need to see why the traditional concept of category, like everything else Aristotle came up with, is dangerously incomplete despite its plausibility. That's what all the philosophy is for. If you take the trouble to understand it, it will alter your consciousness as profoundly as a drug. And it's legal and free.

I'll check out your links. Almost nobody is reading what I write anyway, so I'm sure your linking to me will do me more good than harm.

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Yvette N's avatar

Interesting explanation of philosophical styles. I was aware of different rationale between the typical trans women are women crowd and the trans women are not women crowd. (I prefer to avoid the terms pro-trans and anti-trans because they don't accurately represent the concerns and beliefs at hand, IMO.)

The thing is though, that it really doesn't matter to humans or even tomatoes if a tomato is a vegetable or a fruit. We use them in foods based on taste and other properties, not category. Whether they are veggies or fruits is a mental exercise. It makes no difference to apples if tomatoes are fruits or not. Sandwiches don't have sandwich-based needs and protections that the categorization of hotdogs enters into. There is no fist and no nose.

Swimming in the minutiae of what is a singular essential trait that includes all women and excludes all men is a mental exercise that I have seen used to deny that being a woman is anything at all, except for their own purposes, and usually applied by people who are sexually unambiguous.

I have met and conversed with several trans women whose rationalizations as to why they were women are based on similar analyses. Two are based in microbiology, gene expression in the context of hormone treatments, and post-transition phenotype, and one in radical feminist analysis.

My point isn't to discount anyone's internal experience. My point is to pull back in from the trees and consider the forest. Human beings can intellectualize and rationalize absolutely anything, which can work well on paper, but how does it function in practice?

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